The Sylvanas story would be much more satisfying if she's played out like a more classical villian-- everyone knows she's wrong, the story treats her as wrong, and she's the last one to figure it out. Of course she thinks she's justified in her actions. She isn't. The difference is what message the story wants to leave us with, and if they decide to tell us that her vision of the "greater good" is actually something we should also believe in, I'm sorry, but the story has not put in the groundwork to demonstrate that.Her actions, in pursuit of what she thinks she's doing for the betterment of all, have extracted a toll far larger than should have been paid. The ultimate flaw in Sylvanas, in that she failed to understand that it is not in fact worth what she's done and compromised on, should be reinforced, not smoothed over. If Sylvanas is redeemed, this is not a case of the playerbase already having a set decision on what should happen, but Danuser deciding that he wants whatever outcome he's dreamed up despite whatever effort, or lack there of, was made to deliver that in a way that is satisfying. At this stage, if she is redeemed, it'll be as sour a taste in the mouth as the sudden descent of Daenerys in the much-maligned Season 8 of Game of Thrones. In that case, the common thread is despite the efforts of the showrunners to convince us that the outcome actually did make sense, it will not be convincing. They'll please some, but will confuse more, and irritate the majority.A much more successful character in this role was the Watchman's Ozymandias. He knew the outcome of his actions would benefit the world, but he didn't pretend that it wasn't horrific and monstrous, and the story definitely treated him as such. The other characters wrestled with the burden of knowing the truth, and whether or not it was worth it. Rorschach died because he believed that, no, it was not a secret that could be paved over, and recognized Ozymandias for what he had done and what the lie ultimately meant. If Blizzard tries to send us off with the message that Sylvanas was actually in the right, it's just not going to land. Danuser is certainly no Alan Moore. Not by a long shot. I don't believe he's got the chops to pull this kind of plot off, and the narrative structure of an MMO doesn't allow for it nearly as readily as a graphic novel.
After all these quotes like "Sylvanas is no Garrosh 2.0" I´m hoping for something different for the Horde.Seriously it´s time for a change and not every Horde leader is bad, so we need some new stories to tell. Just stop killing of all the Horde characters, because at this point people are allready mad about this and exspect some sort of raid, where we kill anyone from this faction off.I agree, it wouldn´t feel right if Sylvanas makes a whole 180° turn just to be the good person we never saw in her, because she made many wrong decisions and spread hatred, fear and death, but if the writers decide there is redemption for her, so it is.In my opinion Shadowlands would be the perfect expansion to get rid of her in any other way instead of killing her, because death isn´t the end and there are plenty other things waiting for any character. Bringing up a new zone could finally lead to the things I theorized before. Even the Shadowlands lack of some kind of balance, like Sylvanas mentions early. There is allways a happy end for the good people but almost no way to rehabilitate if you were the bad person of the story. But that´s some problem going hand in hand with the maw, where nobody knows what´s exspecting them. Nobody came back and claimed they got a new chance and got reincarnated to make their wrongs right.There is a chance Sylvanas will step up as the new Jailer or the new queen of a new realm in the Shadowlands to offer even the bad guys a second chance. I don´t know, but I feel like she´ll stay in the Shadowlands in the end. "Killing" her in the Shadowlands dosn´t have to mean she´s dead after all, because she is allready.
I support Sylvanas, I find her intriguing and her plan interesting. We don't know what her ultimate motivations exactly are, but we know she has some and fights adamantly for them.I realise that in reality, where death is final, all the things that she has done are irredeemable and monstreous.But as was stated in this article, this is a fantasy world, where death means just a transition. The burning of Teldrassil? All the nelfs died, and where ushered to their afterlife. And when Sylvanas says that the system is horrible, then I have to agree. Every character in wow is born into a world torn by war. Eventually they die and then the 'real' life starts, the one that probably lasts a lot longer. And what happens in this life? Some random entity decides where you will spend it, if you can keep your memory of your life (which I personally find the worst, the purging of memories), if you get tortured, etc. And what is this decision based on? Your actions in life (which were probably shaped by the conditions you lived in...)? Yeah, not cool.The only thing that I find annoying, is that her arc has spanned such a long time and we still don't really know what exactly is going on. Waiting years for a resolution makes you care a little less, I guess. Nonetheless, I would be on her side in changing the afterlife-system. It seems rather authoritarian.
I want to know if they have any plans on bringing her brother out to try and talk to Sylvanas, or help players against her.
The thing is, she is a good looking woman char. The game is mostly played by men. If Sylvanas was male, no one would even think about motives or redemption. Yeah, I know its se*ist, but thats how it works.Also a major problem is the player's immortality or ability to resurrect whenever they want. While death meant death for NPCs, I personally probably died in the 5 digit state since 2005. Maybe even more. That makes one quite indifferent, if your char itself is involved in this death theme. Dont get me wrong, npc deaths like Hillsbrads Cata quest line with the Ork, Valen's death in Draenor or Willow in the Bastion Campaign really got me from an emotional standpoint, but now that its basically an endless cycle and even the NPCs dont really die, but basically live "after lives" not that much different from the lives when they "lived" makes it weird.Btw was it ever stated, how "long" an undead char can live? Does the dead tissue decay into nothingness after e.g. 100 years or can you basically live forever?
She had free will. She personally ordered burning Teldrassil citizens alive, nobody forced her to do it. Saying otherwise is a plain and very stupid lie.And "Jailer is good" idea? Please... for a good guy he and his cronies talk too much about putting everyone in chains for eternity, making everyone serve and deathly claiming everything you know.Any attempts at "redeeming" hypocrite, self-absorbed, villainous mass-murderer would be stupidest, cheesiest and cringiest story turn I've ever seen in my life.
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I don't trust Blizzard to write a good redemption arc for Sylvanas either but some of y'all are way too emotionally invested in hating her. It's very clear that a redemption arc has been set up for her whether she lives or dies, and the sooner you all get used to the fact that she WILL be written as a character whose actions can be seen in multiple ways the easier you'll have it.
If you only understood death, child.
I don't trust Blizzard to write a good story.
Sylvanas is the Emperor. The Jailer is Darth Vader. Anduin is Luke Skywalker. You heard it here first.In the final raid, which will take place in that circle in Oribos where you will have to find the flightmaster in 3-secs or wipe, Sylvanas will get fed up with Anduin's resistance and start blasting him with lightning bolts. The Jailer will feel sorry for Anduin and get Sylvanas in a fireman's carry. She'll start cackling and lightning bolts will go everywhere. The Jailer will carry Sylvanas to the edge of the Maw and fling her down there, but the backdraft from the explosion this causes will mortally wound him. Oribos will begin to crumble and fall apart, but Anduin will cradle the Jailer's head in his lap. "I am your father," the Jailer will say, and Anduin will scream "Nooooo", then the Primus will take off his mask and reveal he is Varian Wrynn, and the Jailer will take off his mask and reveal he was Khadgar all along, he will make a bad pun, the Millenium Falcon will arrive and blow everything up, and the Shadowlands will explode, and we'll never have to go there again.
She will be my queen. No matter what.
Nothing like some good 'ol forced sympathy down people's throats to feel bad about poor little genocidal maniacs :)If we don't get to kill Sylvanus this expansion then all those posts and "rumors" about the main writer, were actually true all along, cause there's zero reason for her to still be alive by the end of this expansion...and I can already see it, I can just see the Jailer being the one killing her, ruining it for everyone else who have been waiting for all these years to end her, or he turns her into some kind of monster that we then have to feel sorry for..The old Blizzard is gone people, literally, the people who made WoW what it is, all left..
"a lot of people might change their point of view"No I won't.. There is absolutely nothing these writers could come up with that would ever make her even tolerable again.
I can't wait for the "Tyranny of the Light" expansion when we have to go back and beg Sylvanas to help us. Or find a way to resurrect her. Because regardless of what happens to her in this expansion, that is where her road leads in 5-10 years.
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