Choosing Aldor or Scryer in Burning Crusade Classic - Benefits of Each Faction
When visiting Shattrath City and completing the
, you will be faced with a momentous decision:
? Which faction should you pick? Are there benefits to remaining Neutral to both?
The Aldor and The Scryers are enemies, although they maintain a tenuous peace within the walls of Shattrath. In the beginning, you start out Neutral to both sides, but even declaring your intent to ally yourself with one makes you automatically Unfriendly with the other! Choose wisely, because changing sides is a very, very long grind.
This article will cover some important factors to consider when deciding between these two factions. It will not cover how to raise your reputation or how to change reputations later. For more information on raising your reputation with these factions and how to switch sides if necessary, please consult the following guides:
Aldor Reputation Guide The Scryers Reputation Guide
Basic Considerations for Choosing Aldor or Scryers
Both the Aldor and Scryer offer a wide variety of BoP rewards in the form of gear and profession recipes. They also offer different quest lines and quest rewards. In Shadowmoon Valley, they even offer two strongholds that only members of their own faction can access.
The problem is that you can't choose both. Raising one lowers the other. Just declaring for one makes you instantly Unfriendly with the other, and it just goes downhill from there.
While the differences between the two factions can be subtle, they can make a big difference in the long run to your character. There are many factors to take into consideration, and this guide will help you make a wise decision from the beginning.
However, unless you're into high-level min-maxing, it's unlikely you are going to make a horrible mistake either. Both factions can work for any class or spec; it's just a matter of deciding which is best for you. And while it's a pain to do, you can switch factions if you decide you didn't pick the right one.
Building Aldor Reputation or Scryer Reputation
Building reputation with either Aldor or The Scryers is a fairly parallel process. They both have collection items acquired in similar ways, with similar levels of ease or difficulty. They both have quests that generate about the same amount of reputation for their factions. One faction isn't naturally easier or harder to build than the other.
Staying Neutral with Aldor and The Scryers
You are not required to declare for either Aldor or Scryer. You can spend the entire game as a Neutral, travel freely between the two tiers in Shattrath, use both banks, interact with both sides' vendors and trainers.
However, there's really little to no advantage of staying neutral beyond those minor conveniences.
You will not be able to buy anything useful from either Quartermaster, as you need at least Friendly reputation to buy even the lowest-level items.
You will miss out on a number of great quest lines that tell the stories of the two factions, and end up with some fantastic quest rewards.
You will not be able to use either of the Flight Masters in the Shadowmoon strongholds of the Altar of Sha'tar (Aldor) or Sanctum of the Stars (Scryer), as they require Friendly reputation to open.
In short, failure to declare at some point means cutting out large portions of the content of Burning Crusade Classic. Still, you also don't need to make a decision right away.
Factor #1: Aldor and Scryers Shoulder Enchants in Burning Crusade Classic
Why are Shoulder Enchants your first consideration? Especially if you plan to raid and hit the higher-end content, this is something you will need to get and replace whenever you replace your shoulder armor. While the shoulder enchants available from Classic will carry you into Burning Crusade, the shoulder enchants available from Aldor and Scryer are much better, particularly for PvE content.
Here are the facts about Aldor/Scryer shoulder enchants:
The enchants themselves are Bind on Pickup and require Honored (Uncommon) or Exalted (Rare) reputation to purchase.
Shoulder gear becomes soulbound instantly when the enchant is applied (no sending enchanted shoulders off to an alt, a friend, or the Auction House).
You cannot apply an Aldor/Scryer shoulder enchant to someone else's shoulders through the Do Not Trade window.
In other words, it's for that character and nobody else.
However, these should not be your only decision point. For some classes, the choice is very clear, but in many cases, it's not.
Both Aldor and Scryer offer four varieties of shoulder enchants called Inscriptions in Rare and Epic versions. The Rare versions are available at Honored reputation and the Epic versions are available at Exalted.
Let's look at the Epic shoulder enchants available for each, since these are the ones you'll eventually want for higher level content.
Aldor Shoulder Enchants
The Rare Aldor shoulder enchants require 8
(obtainable only with
turn-ins) and Exalted reputation. Sold by
<Aldor Inscriptions>, Aldor Bank, Shattrath City, /way 48.4 26.8.
+18 Spell Damage/Healing and +10 Spell Critical Strike
+30 Attack Power and +10 Critical Strike
+33 Healing and +4 Mana/5s
+15 Dodge and +10 Defense
Scryers Shoulder Enchants
The Rare Scryers shoulder enchants require
, obtainable only with
turn-ins) and Exalted reputation. Sold by
<Scryer Inscriptions>, Scryer Bank, Shattrath City, /way 59.8 64.0
+15 Spell Critical Strike and +12 Spell Damage
+15 Critical Strike and +20 Attack Power
+6 Mana/5 sec and +22 Healing
+15 Defense and +10 Dodge
As you can see from the charts above, each faction offers a different inscription for each of the four major roles (Caster DPS, Healer, Melee/Ranged DPS, Tank) with slightly flipped stats. For example, with the Tank enchant, the Aldor offers more dodge and less defense, and the Scryer offers more defense and less dodge.
There are some subtleties for these that should be taken into consideration.
Shoulder Enchants for Caster DPS
With higher Spell Damage than Crit,
marginally edges out Scryers'
for most of the DPS caster classes, particularly Balance Druids, Shadow Priests, and Warlocks. That said, stats during the original Burning Crusade showed that most caster DPS tended to go Scryer rather than Aldor. There may be other reasons why casters (particularly Tailors, the only profession where faction is much of a factor) might lean toward Scryer, but in general the Aldor
enchant is slightly stronger for Caster DPS.
Shoulder Enchants for Melee/Ranged DPS
This all comes down to what your class's stat weight are for Attack Power vs. Crit Strike Rating. Aldor's
has the higher Attack Power, making it a better choice for Retribution Paladins, Hunters, Rogues, Enhancement Shaman, and Arms/Fury Warriors.
Feral Cat Druids actually don't need to consider this choice much, since both
sim out to nearly identical results. If you like to swap out to tanking, then Aldor is probably better for you.
Shoulder Enchants for Healers
The higher healing power of the Aldor's
may make it appear to be much better than the Scryer's
, but this comes with an "it depends" caveat. Holy Paladins in particular, and to a lesser extent Restoration Druids and Restoration Shaman, may wish to consider the much-higher mp5 of
due to the more mana-intensive nature of their spells.
Shoulder Enchants for Tanks
Feral Bear Druids rely a lot more on Dodge for avoidance, which makes
a better choice. Dodge very slightly edges out Defense for stat weights. Prot Paladins and Warriors also get some benefit from Dodge for avoidance also rely a lot on Block, though Prot Warriors get slightly more added benefit as Dodge gives some extra total avoidance over Block. Prot Paladins get more benefit from the Scryer
, but for Prot Warriors, the decision is less clear since the amount of avoidance you get from either is miniscule. Go with other weights to decide which to pick for Warrior.
For another gear issue to consider for Warriors that might help split the difference - From Beanna, Warrior Class Writer:
I think the real important choice here are the phase 5 necks. Now those are only catch-up gear and won't matter much for people who raided BT for a few months prior. But when it comes to warrior, the tank neck is WAY BETTER for Scryers (but not better than SWP necks) while the DPS neck is WAY BETTER for Aldor (but not better than BT necks). You wouldn't even consider using them if you aren't the proper faction basically.
Factor #2: BoP Items
Items come either from purchasing with reputation from the respective quartermasters, or earned from Aldor-only or Scryer-only quest lines.
The list of items for Aldor and Scryer reputation rewards can be found here:
Aldor Reputation Rewards The Scryers Reputation Rewards
One item that turns the tide for Scryer for DPS Casters is
. This is an amazing spell trinket and only requires Revered reputation.
There are also some rewards you may wish to consider from the higher-level quest lines you can do for Aldor and Scryer. This is just an example of the higher-level items the Aldor/Scryer quests can give you:
(Cloth Caster DPS),
(Leather Melee/Ranged DPS),
(Mail Melee/Ranged DPS),
(AGI Melee/Ranged DPS).
(Leather Caster DPS/Healer),
(Leather Melee/Ranged DPS),
(Mail Caster DPS/Healer)
(Plate Melee DPS)
Truth be told, every class and spec is going to find some usable gear between reputation rewards and quests. You may wish to check your class's Best in Slot lists to see if they recommend specific items, but honestly this should only be used as a tiebreaker.
Balance Druid BiS
Feral Druid DPS BiS
Feral Druid Tank BiS
Druid Healing BiS
Holy Paladin BiS
Protection Paladin BiS
Retribution Paladin BiS
Priest Healing BiS
Shadow Priest BiS
Elemental Shaman BiS
Enhancement Shaman BiS
Shaman Healing BiS
Warlock DPS BiSWarrior DPS BiS
Protection Warrior BiS
Factor #3: Professions for Aldor/Scryers in Burning Crusade Classic
Here are a few facts about Profession recipes from the Aldor/Scryers in Burning Crusade Classic:
Not all professions have recipes available through Aldor/Scryers reputation.
While the profession recipe itself is Bind on Pickup, what that recipe makes is generally not. For example,
is Bind on Pickup, but the
it creates is not.
Professions that have no Aldor/Scryers recipes:
Cooking, Engineering. Enchanting has no recipes but there is a note below to consider.
: Scryers has one recipe,
and Aldor has none. It's a nice recipe, but the Elixirs are not BoP and can be purchased.
: Only difference between the Aldor and Scryers armor patterns is that Aldor
set offers Fire Resistance , and the Scryer
offers Arcane Resistance. Stats and set bonuses are identical.
: While there are no Enchanting recipes offered by either faction's quartermaster, the only Enchanting trainer in Shattrath is located on Scryer's Tier, which Aldor Enchanters can't use. All Enchanters can still use the Enchanting trainers in Hellfire Peninsula or Netherstorm.
: Aldor offers two cut gems and a pendant recipe, and the Scryers offer one cut gem recipe and one pendant recipe, all of which produce BoE items. The Aldor pendant provides Shadow Resistance and absorbs party shadow damage, and Scryer provides Nature Resistance and absorbs party nature damage. Of more interest is that Aldor Rise houses the only Jewelcrafting trainer in Shattrath, which Scryers Jewelcrafters can't use. All Jewelcrafters can still use the trainers in Hellfire Peninsula or Netherstorm.
: Aldor and Scryers both offer a leather set and a mail set. Both the Aldor and Scryer sets are identical in stats and set bonuses, with Aldor offering Fire Resistance and Scryer offering Arcane Resistance. In addition, the Aldor offers an armor kit pattern that adds to Defense rating, and the Scryers offer an armor kit pattern that adds 3mp5. Again, the armor and armor kits produced are not BoP.
Burning Crusade Classic Professions Overview
Tailoring for Aldor and Scryers
Tailoring is a bit more nuanced when it comes to picking Aldor and Scryer. While it appears on the surface that Aldor has more to offer, since they offer a three-piece set and the Scryers do not, there's more to consider than just that.
Both Aldor and Scryer offer Spellthread recipes that create leg enchants. These leg enchants are also not Bind on Pickup, so they can be freely traded before they are applied to leg armor, so it's convenient but not necessary to make your own. The Aldor leg enchant recipes
are primarily for Healers, with increased healing leading the way, and the Scryer leg enchants
with equal amounts spell damage and healing, so more geared toward Caster DPS.
There's a hidden reason for some Tailors to consider The Scryers, and that's if they choose to specialize in
: the Sanctum of the Stars flight point is very close to the Altar of Shadows in Shadowmoon Valley at /way 58.3 70.9. Shadoweave Tailors need to do their
combines at the Altar of Shadows. Particularly if you're Horde, it's a longer way from Shadowmoon Village in the northwest or the Aldor stronghold Altar of Sha'tar in the north.
Altar of Shadows
In addition, the important 360-375 leveling recipes
are sold by
, a Scryer-aligned vendor in Sanctum of the Stars, Shadowmoon Valley. This is only worth mentioning because you can't buy from them unless you're at least Neutral with the Scryers. However, the recipes are not BoP, so if you missed your chance, you can get someone else to buy them for you, or pick them up on the Auction House.
Tailoring Guide for Burning Crusade Classic Tailoring Recipes 300-375
Factor #4: Location, Location, Location
Aldor and Scryer both offer some advantages and disadvantages in terms of location.
Both the elevator to Scryer's Tier and the Scryers' bank are a little closer to the flight point. Falling off Scryer's Tier or mistiming the elevator is not generally fatal.
The Aldor Rise is considerably higher than the Scryer's Tier, and the elevator is unforgiving. It also only stays for 5 seconds at the top, so it's not a good idea to try to rush the elevator. If you try to jump on it after it's already started down, you may mistime it so the elevator hits the ground before you do. Without
or some such assistance, you WILL die falling off Aldor Rise. Even a rogue with
does not survive it. Trust me; I tested this personally.
There is a very convenient tunnel southwest out of Aldor Rise that leads directly to Nagrand. It comes out at the top of High Path in Nagrand, just east of the Ring of Trials at /way 78.3, 54.6. The path down the road is very safe, even for lower levels.
Future Factor: Shattered Sun Pendant Effects
This is not going to be a factor until Phase 6 when the Sunwell becomes live, but this is something to keep in mind for the future.
With Exalted with the
and Exalted with
, you can buy and get the most use out of these necklaces. These have a chance to proc different effects, depending on whether you belong to the Aldor or Scryer:
Proc if Aldor
Proc if Scryer
+120 spell damage for 10 sec.
333 to 367 damage Arcane Bolt
+100 dodge rating for 10 sec.
+100 expertise rating for 10 sec.
+200 attack power for 10 sec.
333 to 367 damage Arcane Strike.
+220 healing & +74 spell damage for 10 sec.
Heals for 618 to 682
What You Shouldn't Consider
Both Aldor and Scryer sell fantastic Shattrath Flasks such as
starting in Phase 3. These flasks have several reputation requirements, along with being Exalted with Aldor or Scryer. However, both the Aldor and Scryer vendors sell exactly the same flasks, so you don't have to worry about this.
Character Racial Advantages/Disadvantages
I won't tell anyone NOT to consider roleplay as a factor, since to many players, this is a very important consideration. The two factions have distinct identities and personalities, and you should definitely go where you think your character belongs. Except for the highest levels of min-maxing, it probably won't make that much difference to the average player.
However, roleplay considerations aside, you should not consider your character's race as a major factor when deciding to go Aldor or Scryer from a practical reputation leveling standpoint.
Draenei and Blood Elf players start out with either a slight advantage or a slight disadvantage when they declare their allegiances.
When players of other races declare for either Aldor or Scryer, they start out as Neutral with their declared allegiance and go immediately Unfriendly with the opposite faction.
Instead of being Neutral with their chosen faction, Draenei and Blood Elves start out Friendly if they choose the faction that matches their race, and Unfriendly if they pick the other faction.
Don't let this advantage or deficit sway your decision-making. If you want your Blood Elf to join the Aldor or your Draenei to join the Scryers, go for it. You'll have to spend a little extra time proving yourself, but the reputation at these lower levels is among the easiest to get.
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