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Ret Paladin PvP Guide [Archive](已归档)
来自 Garroda
[Last Updated]:
2012/10/13
补丁:5.1.0
评分:4.2/5
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14
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Staff note: This guide is outdated but kept up for Archival purposes due to the positive feedback it received when it was relevant.
Welcome to my first ever WoW guide, let alone Ret PvP guide. I will be showing you the basics of the class, as well as a few advanced tips and tricks for the veterans. I am by no means the best Ret Paladin, but I have been experimenting on the ATR and I am here to share my thoughts.
Since the ATR has been temporarily shut down, I focused on working with my live Ret Paladin on the Kel'Thuzad realm which just reached 90, and I'm in the process of gearing up.
I also posted this guide on Skill-Capped as well as here, under the name of Lightbull.
So without further a do, let's get started.
Buffs:
There is no need to sacrifice
's damage for
.
Talents:
Lvl 15:
法网恢恢
Lvl 30:
or
Lvl 45:
无私治愈
Lvl 60:
or
(against DoT users such as Fire Mage and Affliction Warlock)
Lvl 75:
神圣复仇者
Lvl 90:
神圣棱镜
(if you want to have even more off healing) or
(if you want a BM Hunter raging about your damage ;P)
I was originally going to use
正义追击
, but after its nerf from a max 45% speed boost to a passive 30% boost, I decided it was not worth it, since
法网恢恢
basically has the same uptime and lets you move faster.
圣光之速
is far too weak compared to the other 2, you would have no other movement speed increase if you chose it, meaning you would be kited non stop until it came off cooldown again.
is better for arenas in my opinion, just because a stun every 30 seconds is very good for your team's offensive pressure.
is better for duels when you have no other person who can slow for you.
忏悔
is casted, an as Ret this is very bad since people still have the mindset from Cataclysm of "KILL THE RET AND WE WIN". So you would never get the cast off,
is more reliable for CC.
无私治愈
is king. Veteran Rets remember the old Selfless Healer from Cataclysm that allowed our
荣耀圣令
to fully heal our teammates. This essentially does the same thing but with
圣光闪现
. It is still very effective on yourself.
replaces your
荣耀圣令
with a HoT that doesn't even get affected by
被烧毁的雕文
, it's useless.
圣洁护盾
has a weak absorption, better for Prot tanking in PvE.
is the go to talent for most classes. Double
自由祝福
is amazing, and being able to use
牺牲祝福
or
保护祝福
twice really helps your survivability.
is only really good against Fire Mage and Affliction Warlock burst. Otherwise,
is king.
不败之魂
is also nice in RBG settings due to the fact that your
圣盾术
will have a shorter cooldown than your wings, but
outweighs it in an arena setting due to the fact you will only get to use each cooldown once per arena most of the time.
The level 75 tier has a lot to think about. First of all, cut out
圣洁怒火
entirely. It allows you to have a 30 second duration on Wings which is nice for RBGs maybe, but for arenas 20 secs is plenty of time to kill an opponent. The ability to use
愤怒之锤
is not all that great considering how many other spells have priority over it (as seen in the Typical Attack Priority section).
can be a lot of fun if it procs for you, but personally I don't like RNG. If you have Wings up, you're relying on
to fish for
圣殿骑士的裁决
procs. If it does it's job well, the results are destructive, but if no procs happen, you are left with regular Wings burst. So you can use
if you really think it's superior to
神圣复仇者
, but I would recommend
神圣复仇者
. This talent allows you to have your regular Wings burst that will probably force defensive cooldowns from the opposing team, then you can follow up with
神圣复仇者
that can potentially land a kill.
圣光之锤
is a big no no. It's good in PvE for your AoE, but it has no use in PvP aside from revealing stealthies. The other 2 talents are far too valuable to sacrifice for this talent.
神圣棱镜
can be cast on yourself for hefty healing, or on an enemy for more damage than Exorcism (without Holy Avenger up). Also if you are in range, you get healed after the enemy takes damage, or if the enemy is in range, he takes damage after you get healed. This is generally the safer talent as it has a relatively short 20 second cooldown and huge burst damage/healing capabilities.
puts a DoT on the target that increases in damage as it stays on the target, and then after 10 secs, hit the target for a huge amount of damage. This is the more dangerous talent as it can be dispelled by
圣盾术
,
寒冰屏障
and
暗影斗篷
, and has a long 1 minute cooldown. The damage of both spells is increased by
异端裁决
.
Glyphs:
Major:
被烧毁的雕文
被烧毁的雕文
被烧毁的雕文
被烧毁的雕文
allows you to use
荣耀圣令
as a Holy Power dump as well as a heal. It will never hit as hard as
圣殿骑士的裁决
, but it is nice when you can't reach your opponent, or you are trying to kite.
被烧毁的雕文
is a must have glyph as of 5.1, due to the fact that the spell now affects Aberrations (meaning Psyfiend and Shadowfiend from Shadow Priests).
被烧毁的雕文
is actually a very powerful glyph for both arenas and RBGs. After a bit of experimenting, I found out that if you
审判
Target 1, you will receive the buff and Target 2 will take 20% more damage. Even if you keep hitting Target 2 with
审判
you will keep hitting for 20% more damage. With this glyph,
审判
hits about as hard as
. However, it is currently not working as intended as it can either benefit or not benefit from the buff at random after testing on training dummies.
被烧毁的雕文
is actually not worth it, 10% is nothing due to the amount of burst damage most classes can pull off, that's why I removed it.
Minor:
Your choice. These glyphs don't affect your gameplay.
Stat Priority:
Melee Hit (3% cap) > Expertise (3% dodge cap, 6% parry cap) > PvP Power > Strength > PvP Resilience > Haste > Crit > Mastery
Haste gives us super fast attacks through
, making it far superior to Mastery and even Crit.
Gems and Enchants:
Gems:
Meta slot:
反冲之源钻
(+216 Strength and 3% extra Crit Chance)
Red slot:
紧致皇紫晶
(+80 Strength and +160 PvP Power)
Yellow slot:
破碎荒玉
(+160 Haste and +160 PvP Power)
Blue slot:
风暴河心石
(+320 PvP Power)
Prismatic slot
风暴河心石
(+320 PvP Power)
Enchants:
Shoulders:
强效虎牙铭文
(+200 Strength and +100 Crit Chance)
Cloak:
附魔披风 - 超强爆击
(+180 Crit Chance)
Chest:
附魔胸甲 - 超级护甲
(+200 PvP Resilience)
Bracers:
附魔护腕 - 优异力量
(+170 Strength)
Gloves:
附魔手套 - 超级力量
(+170 Strength)
Belt:
活化钢带扣
(extra Prismatic gem slot)
Legs:
怒皮腿甲片
(+285 Strength +165 Crit Chance)
Boots:
附魔靴子 - 熊猫人步法
(+140 Mastery and 8% extra run speed)
Weapon:
活化钢武器链
(60% disarm reduction and +200 Expertise)
The weapon chain, as of patch 5.1, will reduce disarm effect time to 3.2 seconds.
Typical Attack Priority:
-
异端裁决
(at 3 Holy Power)
-
审判
to control range
-
(if
复仇之怒
is up, and if you chose this over
神圣棱镜
)
-
十字军打击
to maintain the 2 pc bonus buff
-
圣殿骑士的裁决
-
-
愤怒之锤
(if
复仇之怒
is up)
-
神圣棱镜
(f you chose this over
)
You want to keep
异端裁决
up at all times for the Holy damage buff and Crit Chance buff.
审判
gives you Holy Power, speeds you up with
法网恢恢
and slows the target down with
.
is a burst ability with a lengthy cooldown, never use this outside of cooldowns, unless you have no other offensive cooldowns and this will be off cooldown by the time your cooldowns are up again. (cooldownception, anyone?)
十字军打击
gives you an 800 PvP Power buff. Use this on cooldown to maintain pressure.
圣殿骑士的裁决
is your regular Holy Power dump. Hits very hard too.
hits like a mac truck. Hits harder then
圣殿骑士的裁决
when
异端裁决
and
神圣复仇者
are up.
愤怒之锤
also hits hard for an attack of its range. Throw this into your rotation when Wings are up.
神圣棱镜
is a heavily damaging spell as well as a nice heal. Use this when you have nothing else to cast or you need a quick heal.
Tips and Tricks:
- When under heavy pressure, you can use
神圣复仇者
for a defensive cooldown as well as an offensive cooldown. You can use any one of your Holy Power generators followed by a powerful WoG heal, all the while those generators are dealing 30% more damage for additional pressure. Once or twice I've caught an enemy team off guard because they were bursting me and I had my
神圣复仇者
up, one of them died because they didn't watch their health.
Burst Macro and Rotation:
Macros:
#showtooltip Avenging Wrath
/cast Avenging Wrath
/use (DPS trinket)
If you are a Human, you can also macro a second DPS trinket to
神圣复仇者
.
#showtooltip Holy Avenger
/cast Holy Avenger
/use (other DPS trinket)
I've seen multiple Ret Paladins make this dreadful mistake:
NEVER MACRO GUARDIAN OF THE ANCIENT KINGS TO YOUR BURST.
starts off with no damage buff at all. Every one of your damaging abilities increases the stack by 1%, instead of just your melee hits, as well as your Guardian's attacks, stacking up to a max of 20%. This stacking process can take 10 - 20 secs, meaning you have to use Guardian before using your burst macro.
Also, you MUST have
异端裁决
up when you burst to maximise damage. Refresh it during your burst when you need to.
Priority:
-
十字军打击
-
/
神圣棱镜
-
圣殿骑士的裁决
-
-
愤怒之锤
-
审判
十字军打击
is first because you need to have the PvP Power buff when you use
. Even use Judgement to catch up to the target if you need to. Even after the buff wears off, if you used ES during the buff's duration, ES will benefit from the buff. When executed correctly (pun intended)
will deal AT LEAST 100k damage.
After
十字军打击
and
, continue using
,
审判
and
愤怒之锤
off cooldown. When
hits, the enemy will be pretty much dead.
Of course, this doesn't apply to you if you chose
神圣棱镜
. This spell is still extremely damaging during your burst.
This guide is still unfinished! :)
Feel free to add any more information in the comments, as well as anything you might want me to add.
My armory is unavailable at the moment because my Ret Paladin is only level 87, and my level 90 is on the Arena Tournament realms.
My YouTube channel is
www.youtube.com/LightbullWoW
, but there are currently no videos aside from an ancient Cataclysm video. I will add MoP videos soon, so stay tuned! :D
EDITS:
17/10/12: Gave a description of why I chose the talents and glyphs listed.
18/10/12: Noted the dangers of using Execution Sentence.
7/11/12: Added gems and enchants, and updated for 5.1. Also made the glyph section more accurate and added a few points about RBGs.
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评论
评论来自
231758
Thanks for putting this guide together, ive been prot holy for 7 years, never rolled ret one time... then, 5 days ago i quit healing because i just cant get any team support. So that means yet another Ret on the pile.
I see that this guide is angled toward burst, and also complete control of when you apply that burst. Control is good However, i played tank recently again for the ques and the ease of leveling and chose
Divine Purpose
(as a tank) for the free procs of
WoG
and the free procs on
Shield of the Righteous
.
So... as a noob ret, having only my tank experience (including prot pvp) to draw on, i chose Divine Purpose again because i thought it would be great to get loads of free
Templar's Verdict
strikes off this Talent.
In my experience as Prot, i can attest that the talent is semi-broken in that the 25% chance to proc seems DRAMATICALLY lower than real application. i have this talent proc back to back up to 5 times in a row, OFTEN. and 2 times in a row is just almost expected now. An Inquisition with just one holy power used throws me a free TV more often than not, which then can proc another free TV and so on...
I fully understand im now a slave to the proc rate and give away the option to 100% channel all CD damage at the point of my choosing (although with your giude i still control bout 70% of my CD burst) but also i abandon the confines of a large damage cd.
would be interested in thoughts and testing on this choice over Holy Avenger as in whether it's a viable alternative, or just not enough to tip the scales evenly.
Two other notes: I chose
Holy Prism
over
Execution Sentence
after using both in PvP. prism had some decent guaranteed damage and and healing with a MUCH shorter CD and didn't force me to decide on targets or sacrafice damage to gain a heal. I did see that ES clearly had higher overall values for both stats but the utility of prism appeals to a 7 year healing veteran :P
Second, i looked up a Pally i thought was reasonably experienced the other day in pvp, and noticed they had forsaken Hit/exp/crit to load up on haste and mastery via reforging.... i read about the losing battle over pvp power vs pvp resilience in MoP (pvp power at max lvls including gems, never catches up to resil, in fact it falls further back) and after that i wondered if the answer to "damaging resil players" is just "more attacks" with a solid "
mastery
addition" And wondered if that's what this particular pally was going for?
I know thats alot of questions/comments for one post, but go for it!
评论来自
Vrangr
I agree that Divine Purpose can be loads of fun, and can be a real damage boost when it procs, but for me, more often than than not, it just doesnt proc enough for it to pull ahead of Holy Avenger. Its uncontrollable and unpredictable, and if your bursting, you need to be in perfect control, or else it all crashes.
This is my own opinion, but feel free to correct me if you think I've made a mistake. Thank you.
评论来自
1046437
very nice taught me alot thanks :)
评论来自
temporal24
First of all, great guide! Thanks for laying out your Ret strategies, especially since you're probably an excellent player if you're on the Arena Tournament realm.
A few comments.... Though this guide is titled "PvP," its intended use is for Arena. While I enjoy Arena, I prefer rated BGs.
With that perspective, I noticed that you didn't even mention my favorite level 60 talent:
不败之魂
. It is quite easy to use enough holy power to utilize the full potential of this talent and cast
圣佑术
every 30s,
圣盾术
every 2.5 minutes, and
圣疗术
every 5 minutes. I like to play Ret in RBGs fairly defensively, and get a big kick out of staying alive a long time with low health while downing clothies. This talent helps me achieve that pretty easily. It is even possible to chain these after 1 minute of Forbearance.
In RBGs, this utility is more useful to my play style than
, which seems to find a primary use by allowing double
自由之手
. With Judgement, Exorcism, Hammer of Wrath during Avenging Wrath, and
被烧毁的雕文
, there are an abundance of ranged attacks available. When my
被烧毁的雕文
is on cooldown, and a Frost Mage is turning me into an ice cube, and the above attacks are off cooldown, I'll attack with them instead of
. This way I don't waste the chance and time that these are off cooldown, netting me more Holy Power and keeping the rotation going. If I'm still CCed and
自由之手
is not free, then I will cast
so I can get close for a Crusader Strike.
Generally, this doesn't affect my rotation too much. In fact, I wait to use
自由之手
for situations like this (maybe everyone does?) and it is rare when I need
自由之手
twice in 25s. I don't often use Hand of Sacrifice or Hand of Protection. Perhaps using those talents more would change my mind. I'm curious to know what other people feel about this talent, these spells, and how they play Ret.
I also enjoy
被烧毁的雕文
. Yes, it sacrifices DPS for healing and doesn't stack with multiple targets. But in an RBG, it's actually more powerful than a Templar Verdict with 4 or more targets, and it will heal you to boot. Over a 15 min or longer RBG, the 13-17k (at least) healing strikes add up to a lot, can help to survive and hold bases, and reduce healing that is better used on the flag carrier. That said, using
and
(4 or more targets) should be used if low on health or AOEing. It's hard to seal dance in combat, but it seems to be beneficial and not something that everyone does.
Thanks again for the guide. Looking forward to updates as your season progresses!
评论来自
Twizelbang
"Really nice guide, just needs a little make-over"
If you want to
Spice
this
guide
up with a better
lay-out
-
Jazz
...check this guide out:
This guide is Great
... well worth looking at:
By
SquireKel
Click this Link:
Guide Writing for Dummies
So much information to take in... but well worth looking at.
I hope this helps demystify BBCode, and good luck writing a guide!
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